HomeMy WebLinkAboutDecember 18, 1997 STATUTORY PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING MINUTES
A Statutory Public Information Meeting was held on Thursday, December 18, 1997 at 7:00 p.m.
in the Council Chambers.
PRESENT:
Councillor R. Johnson - Chair
ALSO PRESENT:
C. Rose - Manager, Policy Division
A. Smith - Planner 2
The Manager, Policy Division,provided an overview of the requirements of the Planning Act and
the Ontario Municipal Board respecting this meeting and matters under consideration thereat.
(I) DRAFT PLAN OF SUBDIVISION 18T-97017
ZONING BY-LAW AMENDMENT APPLICATION A 25/97
ONTARIO HYDRO (POPKIN LIMITED)
PART OF LOT 18, CONCESSION 3
(THIRD CONCESSION ROAD, EAST OF BROCK ROAD)
1. Adrian Smith, Planner 2, provided an explanation of the application, as outlined in
Information Report#31/97.
2. Glen Gant, representing the applicant, stated that the subject lands are owned by Ontario
Hydro, however, a firm offer to purchase these lands has been made by Popkin Limited.
The application proposes 14 semi-detached dwelling and 39 townhouses which complies
with the Regional and Town Official Plans. The Conservation Authority has expressed
concerns about the Creek to the west of subject lands and indicated that a meeting has •
been established to address these concerns. Rossland Road is a Type B arterial road
which will isolate and buffer this development from the Buckingham Gate area. A Noise
Impact Study is being undertaken to address noise concerns, however, he does not
propose to use massive noise barriers but will instead use the buildings as noise buffers.
He has investigated the servicing needs and has determined that there is adequate water
and sewer capacity for this development.
3. Dan Burger, 2330 Canterbury Lane, stated that the subject lands have the last remaining
stands of trees along this part of Brock Road. Trilliums and other wild flowers grow on
these lands and every effort should be made to transplant these.
4. Cecil Gerrard, 2295 Abbott Crescent, stated that semis and townhouses are not in
character with the existing neighbourhood of Buckingham Gate. The proposed housing
forms will devalue the existing properties in Buckingham Gate. He further noted that
children will have to cross Brock Road to reach the existing school in Buckingham Gate.
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5. Richard Ristich, 3 Bunting Court, Ajax, stated that the proposed development is not
compatible with the existing neighbourhood in regards to density and housing form.
There are environmental issues that must be addressed such as stress to the Creek,
wildlife and tree preservation. The bridge over the Creek is very narrow and asked how
Rossland Road will be widened at this point. There will be an impact on traffic on
Concession 3 Road and asked if a traffic study is required.
6. Adrienne Fowlds, 1727 Hadrian Court, stated that she supports the comments of the
previous speakers and noted that she was originally advised that no development was
permitted to the north of Buckingham Gate.
7. Gary Gould, 1726 Hadrian Court, stated that he was of the impression that development
was not permitted on the subject lands and that townhouses will look into his backyard.
8. Charles Provvidenza, 2 Bunting Court, Ajax, stated that he did not support townhouses
on the subject lands because it will lower the value of the houses in the area.
9. Otto Oates, Hadrian Court, 1725 Hadrian Court, stated that he does not believe that 30
units per hectare can be considered as low density. He asked if the hydro corridor is an
active facility or will it be sold for development. The character of the neighbourhood will
change is townhouses are allowed.
10. Lee Strongman, 2293 Abbott Crescent, stated that maintaining the character of the
neighbourhood is important. He asked why there is a need to enlarge the storm water
retention pond. He noted that he is concerned about the safety of residents living in
buildings close to hydro lines and thought that a study of this should be undertaken.
11. Anna Borgious, 2341 Abbott Crescent, stated that she was told that there would be no
development on the subject lands. The integrity of the neighbourhood should be
maintained and this can only be done if estate houses are built.
12. Lorne Smith, 1728 Hadrian Court, stated that he was also told that no development would
be permitted on the subject lands and stated that townhouses would not be compatible
with the existing neighbourhood.
13. Keith 3 e t h G1 ass, 1724 Hadrian Court stated that his house backs onto Concession 3 Road and
the lands on the north side of this road provide a greenbelt, large houses on big lots and a
space for wildlife. He strongly opposes the proposed development.
14. Cecil Gerrard, 2295 Abbott Crescent, stated that he is concerned about development in
the area and felt that representatives of the Town and the Region must listen to the
people.
15. Ray King, 2330 Southcott Road, stated that he does not support the widening of Rossland
Road because it will encourage speeding. He noted that there is no park for the residents
in this development and is concerned about the health impact of the hydro lines. He is
opposed to this proposal because narrow lots and small homes are not compatible with
the existing neighbourhood.
16. Craig Riley, Bunting Court, Ajax, stated that area residents were successful in ensuring
that Buckingham Gate did not include townhouses and felt that townhouses should not be
allowed on the subject lands as well. .
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17. Frank Sturdo, 2663 Southcott Road, stated that the Pickering Official Plan designated the
subject lands as open space for the next 20 years, however, as a result of this proposal, he
doesn't believe in the rest of the Plan.
18. Evelyn McMann, Hadrian Court, stated that she does not support this proposal.
19. Ron Halliday, 427 Taunton Road, Ajax, commented on the need to coordinate the
planning and servicing issues of the East Duffins Area with this proposal. He stated that
this development is somewhat dense for the area and noted that Ontario Hydro is only
interested in selling the land and has not discussed the plan with the abutting neighbours.
20. Glen Gant, representing the applicant, stated that the development of townhouses and
semis adjacent to large scale singles is always subject to concern, however, this proposal
is compatible because it is across the road from Buckingham Gate and is therefore
relatively isolated. The subject lands are designated as residential in the new Official
Plan and they are not designated as Open Space. The developer will be undertaking a tree
preservation study and will try to retain as many trees as possible. The school board has
indicated that there will be about 27 students generated from this development and they
can be accommodated in the existing schools. He noted that the intersection of Rossland
Road and Brock Road will be redesigned and regraded thus causing less problems for
children who must cross at this intersection. He will try to save the trilliums and noted
that lots backing onto power lines is fairly common. He will be meeting with the adjacent
owner to coordinate matters with the region of Durham. The architectural style of the
proposal semis and townhouses will be attractive.
21. Cecil Gerrard, 2295 Abbott Crescent, inquired into the status of discussions and meetings
pertaining to the development at the southwest corner of Brock Road and Concession 3
Road. He noted that the owner adjacent to the subject lands is proposing one acre lots
and asked if that would be compatible with the development proposed for the subject
lands.
22. Catherine Rose, Manager, Policy Division, clarified that a new Official Plan has been
approved which has changed to the designation of the subject lands to residential. She
also clarified that the density of this proposal at 30 units per hectare is the maximum
allowable permitted by the Official Plan and the exact number of units finally approved is
subject to Council's consideration and will involve a variety of factors such as
compatibility, shadowing, privacy, sunlight, lot coverage, traffic implications, etc.
(II) REGIONAL OFFICIAL PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION 97-23/D
LOCAL OFFICIAL PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION 97-006/P
ZONING BY-LAW AMENDMENT APPLICATION A 26/97
MINISTER'S ZONING ORDER AMENDMENT APPLICATION
BROOKLIN MEWS LIMITED AND KINSALE MEWS LIMITED
PART OF LOTS 1 AND 2, CONCESSION 7
1. Adrian Smith, Planner 2,provided an explanation of the application, as outlined in
Information Report#30/97.
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2. Randy Alcorn, representing the applicant, stated that John Watson and his son
peter are the principals of Brooklin Mews and Kinsale Mews. He has conducted a
number of studies as required by the Town and the Region. He has submitted a
preliminary hydrogeological assessment on the water supply and sewage disposal
for the clubhouse and noted that irrigation needs must pass the Ministry of the
Environment and Energy and Regional requirements. To date, these tests have
produced positive results. He has submitted planning reports and agricultural
assessments and noted that the development meets the minimum separation
distance requirement. No residential development is proposed; it will strictly be an
18 hole public golf course to be operated by the Watson's.
3. Fred Beer, Westney Road, stated that the surrounding community is small but
must be represented. He noted that an 18 hole golf course requires 16 million
gallons of water per year and therefore the water supply is a concern. He further
noted that this proposal will result in the loss of farmland.
4. Virginia Traverse stated that she is concerned about resdesignating lands from the
Permanent Agricultural Reserve. She was further concerned about taking water
for the golf course which currently irrigates a lot of land for agricultural purposes.
The surrounding wells may be adversely impacted if golf course irrigation occurs.
5. Robert Leek, Lakeridge Road, stated that there is already a water problem in the
area and noted that he has been short of water in previous years.
6. Nick Dorian, Country Lane, Whitby, stated that golf facilities are experiencing
overcrowding and therefore need more opportunity. The benefits to a community
of golf courses include more visitors, taxes and jobs. The amount of quality
agricultural lands will not be adversely impacted by this development and water
supply and sewage tests must be met to ensure no adverse affects.
7. Fred Beer, Westney Road, noted that many other golf facilities are proposed for
the future. These facilities consume a lot of water, they generate few jobs and
provide no economic spinoffs.
8. Patricia Simpson, 56 Fitzgerald Avenue, Ajax, stated that she owns a 10 acre
parcel on the west side of Sideline 2 adjacent to the subject lands and she is
concerned about the loss of water and the location of the maintenance buildings.
She is also concerned about the possible increase in traffic on Sideline 2 and the
noise generated from loud speakers.
9. Randy Alcorn, representing the applicant, stated that he has not yet determined the
exact location of the maintenance buildings but they will likely be at the southwest
corner of the subject lands fronting on Concession 7 Road. Access to the golf
course is proposed to be from the Concession 7 Road. He will take into
consideration the comments made about a public address system and stated that
the new Official Plan sets up rural goals and he believes that this proposal meets
those opportunities and requirements.
10. Catherine Rose, Manager, Policy Division, emphasized that the impact on the
water supply is a critical issue. The loss of agricultural land is also very important
and must be minimized. Several technical reports have been submitted and need to
be reviewed and this will take some time.
(III) ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 8:15 p.m.
Dated J A/ v ILY 1� /99 c Clerk
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